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Listed below are your options in response to my “Calling All Chimps!” put up, posted on the weblog or despatched privately, about what we are able to do, over and above posting feedback and responses on the weblog, to assist Lucy
There have been some nice options as to how we are able to collaborate extra, how we are able to work collectively extra, how we will be extra energetic. I’ve zero expertise on this form of factor, apart from weblog writing, so if any of you’ll be able to step up, please do.
First, some background.
My slightly restricted understanding in regards to the work required to get a person a good trial* is that it primarily includes two foremost strands, which will be described as “contained in the Courtroom” and “outdoors the Courtroom”. In relation to Lucy, the previous will contain her authorized staff (solicitor/barrister who shall be in shut contact with Lucy and her dad and mom), the solicitor agency’s analysis sources, and the varied consultants referred to as upon (medical/scientific) to debunk (this time successfully) the prosecution’s proof introduced on the first trial.
That first strand will not be the place we sit, although after all if you’re an professional who’s certified to offer a distinct (right!) interpretation of the 2 blood exams (haematologist? endocrinologist?), the X-rays (radiologist?), the Put up-It notice, the hoarding of handover sheets, textual content messages, Fb searches (psychiatrist/psychologist?), the roster information (statistician?), and so forth, then please contact Lucy’s defence staff once we know who they are going to be (she may have one whether or not or not she applies for depart for attraction, although I am positive all of us really feel/hope she’s going to apply, we simply do not know if she’s going to).
So, we’re concerned with the latter strand (i.e. the work that goes on outdoors the Courtroom) and the primary thrust of that pertains to reaching out to 2 teams: a) most of the people and, b) these in some form of place of energy who can have a constructive affect in a roundabout way over Lucy’s case. Each will contain a superb understanding of the varied points referring to the case. If we’re to influence individuals we should educate ourselves about all elements of the case (what the prosecution proof was within the first trial, what the proper interpretation seems like, the general public inquiry, the continued police investigation, and so forth.
We additionally have to know whom to contact, whether or not politicians, attorneys, scientists, celebrities, journalists, different advocacy teams, and so forth to inform them in regards to the case and to ask them to do what they’ll.
Fairly than going away as people to be taught extra element in regards to the case, we must always most likely pool sources to assist one another obtain this, and certainly even have common teams calls on which we are able to talk about the case (see options beneath). Additionally, slightly than every of us constructing an inventory of these we must always contact, we must always as a bunch construct a database of these to contact, together with holding a file of all contact (see options beneath). And please, when you have expertise in this stuff, shout!
It feels odd that there could also be different teams on the market pondering equally about what will be finished to assist Lucy. It feels odd to be serious about methods to assist Lucy with out having acquired her endorsement or that of her dad and mom. I think Lucy and her dad and mom are very busy proper now, and anyway the trauma of the verdicts continues to be uncooked. The scenario could be very fluid. There might come a time when there’s an “official” marketing campaign, endorsed by Lucy and her dad and mom, which after all can be nice. Till then, if we as members of this weblog wish to come collectively and work collectively, assist one another, nice.
Earlier than I record the varied options, one factor that I consider would assist with all of them is to have someplace to satisfy bodily, whether or not to speak collectively or to work collectively. My flat is a ten minute stroll from Euston Station, London. I’ve a good sized space/room that’s at the moment unused (I have been pondering for ages about what to do with it!) the place I may arrange a sq. desk with eight chairs or so. The room additionally has an enormous empty wall which may very well be used as a discover board. I may get a big whiteboard too. And there is a pub proper throughout the street!
I’ve thought lengthy and laborious about this as it will be a dedication that I might need to have the ability to comply with by way of on, however I might be delighted to open up that house (and the fridge and biscuit tin!) to anybody who wish to drop by, whether or not to speak or to work on the case (sure, there shall be work to be finished).
Safety can be paramount so there must be a method of vetting those that wish to drop by. Lots of you could have already confirmed doubtless by the use of your feedback, responses, personal messages and so forth, that your credentials and motivations are gold-plated. Nonetheless, there would most likely should be one thing safer and systematic in place. Maybe a two step course of. Step one can be to place you on an inventory, having supplied adequate particulars to be verified. The second step can be to have some form of reserving system, together with issuance of a quantity that you may shout into the intercom. This all sounds very covert however I’ve been instructed by quite a lot of those that we have now to be very very cautious. In any case, the ramifications of what we’re doing may very well be severe (let’s hope they’re).
I’ll have a take into consideration this and speak to you by e mail.
So, beneath are varied options that you’ve got made.
Letter/e mail writing/sending
Considered one of you copied me in on an excellent letter they despatched to their MP and a few cupboard ministers, along with an attachment laying out the important thing points as they noticed them. They’ve mentioned we’re welcome to make use of each the content material of the letter and the doc. I’ll put them into some form of template kind and supply additional particulars in one other weblog within the very close to future. The concept can be that every one you must do is a few easy copying and pasting, then both press ship or put in envelopes.
Creating varied databases (of individuals to put in writing to for instance, names, addresses, e mail addresses and so forth) that may be saved in a safe shared drive for everybody to entry.
There are numerous steps right here:
1. Arrange a safe shared drive. If any of you is an IT professional and has concepts on this entrance, please let me know.
2. Determine what kind of databases we’d like. Are there off the shelf choices?
3. Determine who needs to be accountable for sustaining these databases.
Very clear reality sheets about unjust trial, stats and so forth merely written, simply printed, simply distributed. Despatched to whomever, wherever. Maximizing potential, presumably, of distant weak ties not simply robust localized ones.
I perceive {that a} staff at Science on Trial is doing precisely this. Please do be part of SoT if you have not already and see what they’ve on that entrance. I’ll proceed to put in writing, and I believe my future blogs may properly give attention to particular elements and due to this fact represent materials that might simply be transformed into “reality sheets”. When you like writing, converse up and we are able to coordinate (I am not valuable about being the one creator on this weblog, although I do suppose it will be good to maintain it properly organised and so forth.)
Different paperwork/papers within the public area which might be of curiosity?
I’ve a great deal of PDFs saved off that I can begin placing in particular person weblog posts, whether or not tutorial papers, articles about forensic science, articles about earlier miscarriages and so forth.
By no means underestimate phrase of mouth, individuals often make this error on this planet of social media. Simply speak to individuals, colleagues, household, mates, and so forth, and be trustworthy with them about the way you see the case. Proceed with the social media, simply bear in mind it’s ephemeral and individuals are busy and distracted. Don’t shout at them and transfer on in the event that they’re not receptive, it can might have planted some doubt within the recess of their thoughts after which once they see a social media put up …… Convincing only one particular person is sufficient (though a couple of is healthier, after all), they’ll then persuade others and on it goes. It actually does work. I’ve satisfied 5 individuals in per week and they’re forwarding on materials that I ship them. What you’re trying to do is to counter the MSM propaganda, which is what we’re all bombarded with on a regular basis once we watch, hear or learn any MSM. You’ll really feel lots higher psychologically in case you ban all of it!
Completely completely agree
Whereas I tremendously recognize the platform you could have supplied and all of the work you appear to have finished, it’s a bit of deflating studying an article principally saying ‘sooo… now what?’. There‘s no plan then? No fund or something? Or is that some other place?
There shall be a strategy to fund Lucy’s authorized staff straight sooner or later. If we do issues that want funding, I am positive we’ll discover the best method to try this.
I would like to see items from the likes of Scott Mclachlan, Norman Fenton, Mark McDonald, and others who should not offered on Lucy’s guilt. Any likelihood of that, Peter? Notably priceless can be items from medical professionals who can significantly problem the professional medical proof. The truth is that the intense work is being finished over at SOT. Our contribution right here at Chimp? Merely speaking to one and all our disquiet over Lucy’s conviction. One and all consists of mates, acquaintances, information media, these columnists who want difficult/changing. Everybody and anybody. All the time bear in mind to be civil and balanced.
I believe that “speaking to one and all our disquiet over Lucy’s conviction” will not be a easy matter. Neither is it secondary to different work – it’s vastly necessary. Additionally, it can contain plenty of work and plenty of coordination (see earlier). I believe the concept of linking blogs to the work of others concerned in this can be a nice concept, maybe with summaries of some type. If anybody sees something that they suppose needs to be on this weblog, please say.
Sure to this. And a authorized voice as conductor.
It might be nice to have an authoritative authorized voice who can present credible and helpful insights into the place issues go from right here, what the authorized points are and so forth. If that particular person may very well be you, please say and I’ll set you up as an creator.
Sure, the stuff on SOT is past my understanding, however it’s the actually necessary stuff that is occurring now. SOT will overturn Lucy’s conviction, Chimp may help in that regard. We’re higher than a speaking store, we are able to affect public opinion and alter the temper from “Lucy the serial killer of infants” to maybe not, and ultimately to one thing higher nonetheless.
Sure. As you say, we are able to affect public opinion. This weblog will not be about placing collectively the science that shall be helpful to Lucy’s authorized staff. It’s as you say about influencing public opinion. And writing to influential individuals. And placing stuff on this website that journalists will learn (and that we are able to actively ship to journalists).
Hello Peter – There shall be individuals who have invested a major period of time already in marketing campaign assist who will understandably be a bit of confused and surprise what’s occurred to result in this. It strikes me that the earlier collaboration made sense and seemed to be making progress however a number of strands has the potential for confusion and blurring of imaginative and prescient. Can you broaden in any respect and clarify how this may match with different actions in direction of a standard objective?
This weblog could be very totally different to what SoT is doing. I think the 4 entities (SoT, Richard Gill, LawHealthAnd Tech, Chimp, and the varied others too who’ve posted movies for instance) may very well be thought of members of a soccer staff, every doing one thing totally different however necessary. SoT will be the equal of Erling Haaland however the others are doing one thing helpful too. As talked about in one other response, the science is crucial however the Court docket of Enchantment will drag their heels if there is no such thing as a public strain on them. I believe that is the place different events may help. And there’s completely nothing to cease the varied events collaborating.
Peter.you ask for options on how we are able to go ahead . In late June I used to be in London and while wandering round Westminster, I took the chance to look at the Supreme Court docket at work. The general public can try this, which is correctly, and that open entry impressed me tremendously. Numerous what was mentioned was legalese and went over my heard, however what has remained with me is the manner of the discovered , articulate and properly which means judges who I noticed at work that day. I simply know in my coronary heart that they and their counterparts are dedicated to justice. So how on earth has this unprecedented injustice come about?? And why was the presiding choose in LLs trial so vitriolic in his condemnation of her? He was something however neutral, not like some other judges I’ve noticed. I’m nonetheless very disturbed by the entire thing.
I ponder If we may get a Supreme Court docket choose to a minimum of learn this blog- or perhaps a record of the primary bullet factors of the failings within the prosecution- they might agree to assist? Am I being naive? I consider we do want a determine with a Nationwide profile to assist right here. A politician? I’ve at all times admired Gordon Brown. Or a NHS Guide? As we all know there of the latter who consider on this trigger. One other Q. Has LL determined to attraction? Time is occurring isn’t it? I fear that she will not be going to trouble. She should be mentally wrung out, poor susceptible lady.
Lastly, while out hillwalking yesterday I met a nurse and we fell into dialog. She instructed me that she has doubts about this conviction, as so a lot of her colleagues do. One other useful resource which may very well be harnessed? Please sustain the great work. Sorry if I’ve rambled on. Thanks.
What a brilliant message. I actually suppose we are able to ship the aforementioned letters/emails to Supreme Court docket judges (previous and current) and to the varied different events talked about. And actually beautiful to listen to in regards to the nurse who has doubts in regards to the conviction. As talked about beforehand, though Lucy is on the centre of this, her case is about extra than simply her. It’s about reforming the NHS. It’s about reforming the justice system.
Hello, I believe the work you (Peter and others) have finished exposing points with the proof, and bringing individuals collectively to query whether or not this was a good trial is admirable. Nonetheless this weblog talks about supporting Lucy and campaigning for her launch. I personally suppose the main target needs to be on scrutiny of the details and establishing the reality – not only for her (if she is certainly harmless) but in addition: a) for the sake of the households in order that they know what occurred, b) to guard future infants by figuring out if there have been some other causes eg. An infection, poor hygiene, poor medical apply and so forth, c) to carry energy to account throughout the NHS and justice system
Nice message. I agree, and suppose that future blogs can give attention to particular elements of the case, scrutiny of the details, establishing the reality, understanding how we acquired right here and so forth. And, as you say, for the households, for future infants and their dad and mom, and to assist construct a greater NHS and a greater justice system.
What are the varied elements of Lucy’s case that we needs to be serious about?
In no explicit order, beneath is an inventory of issues that I do know in my case I wish to actually perceive properly and give attention to.
1. The general public inquiry: is there any method it will possibly think about the likelihood that Lucy will not be a killer however that there have been different explanations for the spike in deaths and collapses?
2. Operation Hummingbird: what’s the ongoing investigation about?
3. The assorted authorized routes for Lucy going ahead (the Court docket of Enchantment, CCRC, Supreme Court docket).
4. The grounds for attraction: a) the choose’s appalling summing up, b) incompetent councel, c) the Cheshire Police Youtube video (is that new proof?), d) new scientific interpretation of the medical proof.
5. What was the proof that convicted Lucy and the way can or not it’s countered.
6. Earlier miscarriages/exonerations (Sally Clark, sub postmasters, Barry George, Daniela Poggiali, Lucia de Berk, Angela Cannings, and lots of extra).
7. Different suspected circumstances of wrongful conviction (Colin Norris, Ben Geen, Omar Benguit, Roger Kearney, Michael Stone, and lots of extra).
8. Taking care of ourselves and one another. I think we’re all getting slightly wired in regards to the considered this younger particular person locked in a cell 23 hours a day, pondering they are going to be there perpetually, and pondering they didn’t get a good trial, that the system allow them to down.
Lastly, the above is basically a mind dump. Mine and yours! I’m not an professional. I’ve not finished this earlier than. A few of you will have learn the above and thought, oh, he is missed that, or not touched on that. If that’s the case, please let me know and I can add to this put up. This isn’t like a newspaper. Articles will be added to, improved. Importantly, whereas I take pleasure in writing and have put what I believe is an okay weblog website collectively, the subsequent steps which might be wanted, the motion that you’ve got recommended/requested for shall be a staff effort.
* A number of of you could have mentioned that we are going to be seen as way more credible by the media, politicians, opponents even, if our stance is that Lucy deserves a good path slightly than that she is harmless which is smart. Legal professionals makes use of the phrase “unsafe conviction” and we must always do likewise. We don’t wish to seen as a bunch of “crazies” however as a bunch of considerate, rational specialists and nonspecialists who’ve an abhorrence of injustice. Sure? No?
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